DISQUS

SolidSmack: PTC/USER - SolidSmack on the Scene, Crispy and Cleeeeean.

  • Chris Williams · 6 months ago
    Josh I wonder if you did a post on V6 if the SW user would beat this dog as hard as they do ptc's social product development?
  • Josh M · 6 months ago
    yeah, i wonder too. I doubt the average SolidWorks user would care though. People I work with don't even know the DS relation... it's frustrating to me actually. But ya know, the average person may then, also be open to seeing more/less value because they're not aware of all the industry baggage and media hype a lot of us are familiar with.

    Yeah, so, I've tried to get access to use V6, but no go. Is it not a simple software installation? believe me, once I'm able to use it, I'll be writing something on it.
  • bigmikeo · 6 months ago
    I can't wait to hear what you think of PTC. I used it for six years, after looking at the latest version back in 2005, just to see it was exactly the same as 2000, we switched to SolidWorks.

    I occasionally have to go back, like today for example, to work on legacy stuff. I was just wondering if I should port it over to SW and go from there. I have to recreate the entire assembly drawing but it would be better for the future, and I could get a rendering out of it for the sales/marketing guys.
  • Josh M · 6 months ago
    Thanks bigmikeo. I'll do my best to tell what's new with PTC. I'm still getting familiar with all the product lines. Seems there is a big focus on the 'Social Product Development' (runs on a Sharepoint backend) and the new integration that windchill has across all the product lines and other CAD platforms. The INSIGHT product compliance software looks interesting for handling regulations.

    Let me know if there's somethign specific you're interested in! Thanks!
  • bigmikeo · 6 months ago
    We use the sheet metal package so they did not appear to focus much on it back then.

    I would like to know how they insert forming tools in sheet metal. SW is so ridiculously easy. There is probably one guy, if your lucky, who knows how to do it. I had to return to the booth 3 times to finally catch the guy when he was there. Also ask about sketching in drawing and see how those tools are.
  • Josh M · 6 months ago
    Hope you caught the follow-up post to PTC/USER. There's some updates coming in Wildfire 4.0/5.0/6.0 that I think you'll like. specifically about what you talk about man. Let me know what you think!
  • JeffMirisola · 6 months ago
    Make sure you're wearing your aluminum foil skull cap or they may try to mind meld you.
    Actually, I think it's very cool that they invited you. I'm looking forward to reading your posts.
  • burhop · 6 months ago
    Jeff, I've already tried to brain wash him but it seems Josh's brain in not like others. I think he broke our mind melding machine.
  • JeffMirisola · 6 months ago
    The machine must have been designed in Pro/E.
    Sorry, Mark, that was too easy...
  • Josh M · 6 months ago
    Hey guys, I made it out ok, no scratches or bruises except on the head after meeting Jim Brown of tech-clarity. whatch out for that guy.
  • chris · 6 months ago
    Josh glad you decided to come. Great having some bloggers at PTC... See you for a Vodca tonic.
  • Josh M · 6 months ago
    Yep, had a BLAST. Interesting though, I didn't meet any PTC users blogging about PTC products. Thought I would have been introduced to some potentials. maybe next time. Talk with ya later.
  • Chris Williams · 6 months ago
    I don't think there are any. The only people I am aware of are execs that are bloggin about Social Product Development. I hope we get the round table discussion off the ground with Lou, I think this would really be cool and would be along the lines of the video conversation we had...
  • Kenneth · 6 months ago
    It was a great pleasure to meet you in person, Josh! For a moment, I thought the child in the picture was you.
  • Josh M · 6 months ago
    You as well, Mr Wong. looking forward to the next time and hopefully we can get some usable video. Watch your eyes!! :)
  • Chris Williams · 6 months ago
    Need to dig up some pictures of that famous freestyle skier Wayne Wong! http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&rlz=1T4GG.... I remeber as a kid you would say "ski the wong way". Maybe it is time for "blog the wong way"?
  • Josh M · 6 months ago
    ha! Blog the "Wong Way" - love it.
  • Kenneth · 6 months ago
    You know, between Wayne and me, two Wongs just might make it ... Oh, never mind. :-P
  • ckeen · 6 months ago
    What I really wait to know is.... what is Dassault doing to make SolidWorks competitive in the social collaboration, PLM, ERP-integrated (etc) market. The PTC product line looks interesting, but what does Dassault think/have in store for the future?
  • Dave Moore · 6 months ago
    Please quit dragging those marketing buzzwords out.

    What do you mean by social collaboration?

    You want PLM? Go buy a PLM system. There are quite a few out there that work with SW.

    You want integration with ERP? Go buy SW Enterprise PDM and use its XML output to interface with your ERP system.

    As for me I want Dassault to keep its fingers out of the SolidWorks pie. I don't want SW to become CATIA, a system that promises Monte Carlo then takes you to the nearest indian casino for a severe beating.
  • ckeen · 6 months ago
    By social collaboration, I am referring to the product feature information given out at the PTC event. Go look at the event notes or the PTC website. You will understand more of what I am asking.

    As for Dassault, that is somewhat wishful thinking as they own SW. I agree with your point in not wanting SW to become CATIA.
  • Josh M · 6 months ago
    Hey Dave and C. Wow, yeah there was plenty of 'Social' talkthere. To me, it really seems like there's a lot the CAD companies don't understand about what 'Social Media' is and what aspects are/will be important in CAD/PLM and product design in general. There's very little openness and even less real-time processes. Call it limits of hardware/software or whatever, but the innovation isn't apparent, and inside info makes me wonder.

    anyway, I agree Dave. Dassualt needs to let SolidWorks run. However, it's not gonna happen. There's people there to make SolidWorks more integrated with Dassault. What if SolidWorks is more 3DVia than Catia? or if it had V6 platform abilities?
  • Dave Moore · 6 months ago
    I agree that CAD companies don't understand social media. They use social media buzzwords to make their products seem cooler to the facebook generation. In reality it's questionable if they're adding value to their products by stressing the social features when they could be improving the functional aspects of the product.

    I wouldn't mind if SW picked up some V6 capability. However, I don't trust Dassault. They promise a lot, but what you see in a demo isn't what you get in real life. DS products are a royal pain to install, maintain, and use.

    I was at the CATIA Operators Exchange conference last year and saw a live demo of V6 beta. It was impressive, but it was scripted and well practiced. Every DS demo is like that. What they don't show is the CAD/PLM admins in the back-room pulling their hair out trying to get everything working right. Or the CFO swearing at the engineering managers when they deliver a quote for the upgrade.
  • MatthewWest · 6 months ago
    Dave,

    I'm not going to mention any names here, because I think this really extends to the greater software industry, but the way I look at it, a lot of companies are using the terms like "social networking" and "social media" as replacements for terms like "collaborative workspace." You're right that the terms are used mainly to generate buzz.

    I'd like to think that we *do* understand social media since that's my job. But at SolidWorks, the way we approach social computing is an extension to the different ways that we communicate with our user base. We're active on places like Twitter because we want to take an active part in the conversations taking place. We post things to sites like YouTube and Flickr because we know that our users like to see them. We give bloggers press access at events because we know that the user base likes to hear things from a user perspective, not just a journalist/analyst perspective. We're not perfect, and we don't always have as much time to participate as we'd like, but we try to focus on communication and enablement.

    Will we start to put some new collaboration & networking features into our products? I can't really make any promises one way or the other, but I can guarantee that anything we do will be done for the purpose of helping our users be more effective in their jobs, and not just something we can use to say "look how cool we are."

    Matthew West, Social Media Manager
    SolidWorks
  • Josh M · 6 months ago
    Thanks for the comment Matt. I love hearing your perspective on this because you KNOW social media. The terms to create buzz are certainly getting old and to me really cliche when I hear them. To me it's not innovative. I like the idea of looking at aspects of technologies and seeing if there's things that could help what we as designers/engineers do, but doing it just to do it, isn't the answer to solving issues we get with CAD/PLM programs.

    However, it's cool to try out stuff too, but not by using the users as a testbed right. I'm glad SolidWorks isn't jumping at trying to work in popular culture to the programs (as far as I know and even though I would think some of it cool) but I'm also really wanting SolidWorks to show more innovation in what they come out with and hopefully not tow the DS line. Thanks again man!
  • Chris Williams · 6 months ago
    Matt I would have to say your view / description of what social media is, defined above, makes you a twerkr. Everything you said is about Solidworks Promotion, not the Value to the User!
    Certainly the WEB is a great place to gain insight into solutions. But what about how social media can help a customer achieve time to market? While it is easy to say the competition is wrong, it is not smart to do this just because they are the competition… we have all seen how this allows a new comer to grow… I wonder what you think of Vuuch? Are we competition and therefore wrong or are we social media that reduces time to market?
  • MatthewWest · 6 months ago
    I have to respectfully disagree, and I never intended to imply that anyone is wrong per se, but that a lot of people are using these "social" terms to simply describe ideas that are decades old. Things like message board and chat rooms existed long before we had terms like "social media" to describe the ways that people interact with one another on the Internet. And I think there's a real need in general to make distinctions between what consitutes something that's "social media" as opposed to a "social application," which is what Vuuch (for example) appears to be.

    What I'm questioning is creating a collaborative work experience and tagging it with a "social" name just to jump on the bandwagon, and it's really something of an academic argument, not an indictment of any particular company. In the case of PTC here, I think the tag is actually appropriate because it describes the process, but I think that the word "social' could just as easily have been replaced with "collaborative." But kudos to them for anyway for giving their users the option to collaborate in-application. I'd be interested to see what people think about that in comparison to the Dassault V6 platorm once both have been in use for a while.

    Maybe I should have gone into a little more detail before, but I was trying to bang something out before I left for a meeting. I don't think that trying to engage in conversations with the user base is necessarily promotion. I field questions, both publicly and privately, on Twitter all the time. That has nothing to do with promoting the company, but trying, in whatever way I can, to help the end users out there. We have a public forum on our website that we host specifically so users have a central place to connect with one another, and we're working on improving that experience so it's more meaningful and more useful to the users. Many of the videos we put on YouTube are tips and tutorials intended to help people get more out of the software, or do their jobs quicker or easier.

    As far as integrating tools into the app itself, I'm not really at liberty to say what we may or may not be doing, but like I mentioned above, anything we do will will be done for the purpose of helping our users be more effective in their jobs. If that's achieve faster time to market, that's great. If that means doing something in half the time, that's great. But the end result is that we want to make sure that the focus *is* on the end user.

    I'm not an end user, but I've watched your Vuuch videos, and it looks like a valuable tool, and from what I read from guys like Josh, people seem to like it.
  • Josh M · 6 months ago
    picking up on what Matt said, I do notice he watches for people who mention SolidWorks and answers back to them to help out. It's a little splash of both promo and user involvement. right on.
  • Chris Williams · 6 months ago
    Who cares what it is called if it helps users? You seem to have smacked (sorry for the pun Josh) ptc with the stupid stick while at the same time you assume what they have done provides no vlaue, just becuase they used the social term and just becuase they are ptc...

    ...and never mind the fact that if you go by your assertion then SolidWorks has also never done anything social even in terms of promotion, never mind product. Also by your assertion you would say the SolidWorks did nothing new! And I am sure you would not agree with this. But what was new in SW? Wasnt it 80% of the Proe features for 20% of the price, or something like that?

    People have and will communicate, or if you wish, collaborate. What we call it is not the point other than it is clear we must market our stuff. The point is does it create value for the user. Guess what if it does not then it will not last, no matter what we call it. Even if we have a cool name like Vuuch! This is why we are making our beta available. We want user feedback.
  • Josh M · 6 months ago
    OOooo. SMACK. Matt, I'd have to agree with Chris for the most part. The involvement is good, but there could be more value to the user. If you let that SWTechSupport go on Twitter... look out. That intern had the right idea I think.

    Chris, I think it should be about promotion a bit. That helps you gage reaction, but there are do's and don'ts to how one should promote using Social Media. For instance, I follow matt because he's pretty much the face of SolidWorks on here. I'd rather follow him, than the 'SolidWorks' profile, because that's a real person. The value of that skyrockets when the actual CXX is on (think Zappos). THAT also adds value to the user if they are personable and take part in discussions. so promotion is good and value to user is EVEN BETTER.
  • Matt Lombard · 6 months ago
    Aren't users sick and tired of social media for promotion? First they invented the pony express, and they countered with junk mail. Then they invented telephones, so the bad guys invented telemarketing. Then they invented email, and spam was the answer. Then the internet, and its Google Adsense. Blogs, and more ads. Twitter and corporate promotion. Is there no escape?

    The best thing companies can do to promote themselves is to offer value through content. Participate in discussions, answer questions, stuff that normal people do. Just using drive-by-spamming to get your name in front of people regardless of the context does more harm than good.
  • Josh M · 6 months ago
    I think anyone would say some of the most valuable posts in the forums are when the devs get in there to address questions/concerns.
  • burhop · 6 months ago
    Matt, I know where you are coming from (I've had 5 people try to sell me a new roof in the last month) but it seems to me you don't want to lump all the marketing folks into one group.

    I would say the marketing folks in the CAD industry have done pretty good with social media so far. Granted, I'd like to see a bit more substance but I think that will come when marketing is able to better demonstrate the need for non-marketing folks to get involved.
  • MatthewWest · 6 months ago
    I think that's the biggest challenge facing a lot of companies, especially ones that don't have large amounts of young people. One of my biggest goals is trying to get more people from areas like R&D, development and product definition active on blogs, Twitter, etc. We have a few tech guys in England blogging now that are posting some awesome stuff.
  • burhop · 6 months ago
    Yea, I think one of the new hats for marketing in this domain is not really to do the talking... its to enable the conversations.

    Get the tools into the right hands, make sure your people don't make the obvious social media mistakes, get management to buy in and support it, etc.

    I'm really glad I don't work in marketing right now. That has got to be a hard job :-)
  • Ben · 6 months ago
    I am with Chris on this as well with SolidJott it is a living breathing and from what I can see a very effective chunk of Social media that is embedded in SolidWorks (if you want it to be) No real promotion or very little, there just good wholesome help where you need it when you need it. Then again this post looks like I am a 'twerker' or self promotion, I would be lying if I said it was not, it is in someways but to make a point not promote.

    SolidWorks is putting out social media stuff like 3 Dudes (Which is great) but there is nothing a typical user can take from it other than a laugh. It is great stuff and I encourage SW to keep it up but why not spend time in SolidJott showing users that they do care and are tying to answer questions by participating under a user called lets say..... let me see.... 'SolidWorks' ? (Hint I have that user name available for SW if they want it...)
  • Josh M · 6 months ago
    I wouldn't consider 3dudes soc med at all. it's pure entertaining promo, and well done I think. it is video, but the soc med side of it is what you're doing commenting about it in a post where others are in a discussion or when you share it with someone else on one of those sites that send it through the stream.
  • Chris Williams · 6 months ago
    Is it or is it not social media??? The ad certainly is not, but the method of distribution certainly is. The ad is funny and therefore will be sent around in a viral manner, well you hope anyway. This approach is good advertising but it is not value for users. Actually far from it. I wish they were a little shorter though.
  • MatthewWest · 6 months ago
    I think there's a way to handle support online. The folks at Javelin, for example, have set up a Twitter account where their customers can initiate support tickets without having to email or call on the phone. And until we could find some way to route a user to his or her reseller automatically, allowing someone to send a support issue directly to a "SolidWorks support"-type account would be a bear to manage. But is something like Twitter really the best way to initiate a support call? Might it not make more sense for a reseller to provide a form on their website that allows for more detail?

    On the topic, I've seen where some of the CRM vendors have actually developed systems that automatically search Twitter for complaints and create support tickets that support teams can then address. For companies that handle support at the corporate level (think consumer products), I think that's really cool.
  • Ben · 6 months ago
    "allowing someone to send a support issue directly to a "SolidWorks support"-type account would be a bear to manage. But is something like Twitter really the best way to initiate a support call? Might it not make more sense for a reseller to provide a form on their website that allows for more detail?"

    Interesting point. One thing to note is that currently I will be setting up private Jott systems for some resellers to help with their tech support. Thus a twitter like embedded help desk. So my answer to this is NO I dont think it makes more sense. It makes the process harder, you have to navigate away from the software, sometimes go back and forth trying to capture the issue... make sure you know the URL to get there all of this is a pain in the arse. you have to MAKE IT SIMPLE
  • MatthewWest · 6 months ago
    Point taken. Create the ability to initiate a support ticket in-application. I should mention that to development.
  • Ben · 6 months ago
    Sure. but would that not be in the bounds of the non-compete clause you have with SolidMentor with the SolidJott application addin?
  • MatthewWest · 6 months ago
    Sorry, I misread what you said there. Maybe *you* should talk to development. ; )
  • Ben · 6 months ago
    When development is ready to start implementing a good functional support system *they* can talk to me....
  • Ben · 6 months ago
    Not to say that I am not fully willing to co-operate with SW on this....
  • Josh M · 6 months ago
    Ben... always wheelin' and dealin' :)
  • Ben · 6 months ago
    Always :)
  • Matt Lombard · 6 months ago
    Twitter is not an answer for support. Something like Skype with screen sharing might be, though.

    None of this is new. 5 years ago I worked at a reseller that was using a custom written instant message application to do support.
  • burhop · 6 months ago
    Matt,

    Check out http://getsatisfaction.com/ I don't know if it will ever make it to CAD but I've found it to be a pretty good tool for the products I use that are there.